All the Feels: How Texture Makes Taste

The squish of bananas, the squeak of mushrooms, the pop of a grape: for some people, these textures are a delight—but for others, they’re a total nightmare. Texture plays a huge role in how we experience food, and yet it’s kind of a scientific conundrum. Why do people—and entire cultures—experience the feeling of food differently, and what’s going on in our mouths when we do? To find out, we talk to scientists who've experimented with tooth-mounted microphones, tongue twists modeled after pro swimmers, and all-you-can-eat buffets. Plus, we go on a New York City Q adventure (mochi doughnuts and boba tea!), and hear from lots of you listeners about the feelings that make you squirm and swoon. Join us this episode and get up in your mouthfeels.

Episode Notes

Kendra Pierre-Louis

Kendra Pierre-Louis is a climate reporter currently at Bloomberg. She's the author of several articles on the science of texture, including the fascinating Popular Science article "Mayonnaise is disgusting, and science agrees" that prompted an uproar from Big Mayo.

Ole Mouritsen

A physicist and professor of gastrophysics at the University of Copenhagen, Ole Mouritsen is the co-author of the book Mouthfeel: How Texture Makes Taste.

Left, George Van Aken's experimental texture recorder; right, Van Aken's recordings showing just how much the fat in cream dampens friction and vibration on the tongue, producing a much softer recording. (Images courtesy of George Van Aken's paper, “Acoustic emission measurement of rubbing and tapping contacts of skin and tongue surfaces in relation to tactile perception.”)

George Van Aken

George Van Aken is a Netherlands-based chemist in the food science industry who specializes in food texture.

Bryony James

Bryony James is the deputy vice-chancellor research of the University of Waikato in New Zealand. Prior to this position she was deputy dean in the Faculty of Engineering at the University of Auckland, where she researched materials science and food engineering.

In her research, Bryony James discovered that subjects who consumed pre-dinner jellies with more textural complexity (left) ate less from an unlimited buffet than those who ate jellies with more uniform texture (right). (Image courtesy of James' co-authored paper, "Increased textural complexity in food enhances satiation.")

Cathy Erway

Cathy Erway is a James Beard award-winning freelance food writer and the author of The Food of Taiwan: Recipes from the Beautiful Island.

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Listeners Like You!

Thanks to listeners Katheryn Kastner, Vera Hoskins, Kristi Hayhow, Benedict Claxton Stevens, Matthew McMasters, Vic Mancini, Emily Finch, Amanda Goble, Hollis Mickey, Sarah Culpepper, Carrie Smucker, Jennifer Yeung, Linda Nickell, Samantha Tse, Kendra Gahagan, Olivia Schneider, and Maddi Foust for speaking with us, and thanks to all of you who shared your texture stories and feelings with Gastropod.


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