The Barrel That Could Save A Forest

Bourbon has to be aged in barrels, by law; whiskey usually spends years in barrels, by custom; and between 20-30 percent of wine spends some time in one. And almost all of those wooden vessels are made from just two kinds of tree: American white oak and French oak. This episode, we tell the story—and try the whiskey—of the distiller and the barrel-maker who, together, are figuring out how to use the huge, elegant, native oak of the Pacific Northwest to create new flavor, and, in the process, restore an ecosystem that has nearly vanished. Along the way, we figure out the science behind how a barrel affects the taste of what you sip, and we trace the trajectory of barrels from their pinnacle, as the go-to container for everything from fish to petroleum, to their current niche status. Finally, we explore why oak became the default wood for barrel-making—and meet the coopers experimenting with different woods, and an entirely new flavor universe for booze.

All that, plus Roman supply chain logistics, bung holes, and spoofulation! Join us for a barrel of laughs as we visit two of America's last cooperages and a pioneering Seattle distillery.

Dozens of barrels sit in three vertical rows in a timber-roofed warehouse. Pallets of Rogue products are visible in the foreground.

Episode Notes

Matt Hoffman and Westland Distillery

Matt Hoffman is the co-founder and master distiller at Westland Distillery. In 2019, the third edition of their Garryana project was named American Single Malt Whiskey of the Year at World Whiskies Awards; in 2021, edition five won the same award. You can read more about Westland's work to restore Garry oak savannas near Tacoma, Washington, online here.

Oregon Barrel Works

At Oregon Barrel Works, we met Matt Fortran and master cooper Rick DeFerarri. Oregon Barrel Works is a log-to-barrel cooperage that supplies Westland Distillery (amongst others) with their Garry oak barrels. They work with several kinds of oaks, sourced in forests from France to Oregon.

Nate Lindquist and Rolling Thunder Barrel Works

In 2015, Rogue Ales & Spirits acquired some WWII-era French coopering equipment and tapped employee Nate Lindquist to helm the operation. Nate trained with Rick at Oregon Barrel Works before becoming head cooper at Rolling Thunder Barrel Works, where he creates barrels for aging Rogue’s spirits and beers—and experiments with "weird woods."

Henry Work and Wood, Whiskey and Wine

Henry Work has been a cooper since 1974, starting with 25 years of experience making barrels in Napa Valley, then managing a cooperage in Kentucky. His book, Wood, Whiskey and Wine: A History of Barrels, is a comprehensive guide to the history of barrels and how their roles have evolved over 2,000 years of use; he's also the author of The Shape of Wine: Its Packaging Evolution.

Aude Watrelot

Aude Watrelot is an assistant professor of enology at Iowa State University, where she studies the chemical composition of hybrid grape varieties, how different wine-making practices affect a wine’s chemical composition, and how this affects the final perception of the wine.

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